Hello RayPublisher,
Thank you for the PM. I was surprised to find that two other PMs were sent beside the one you sent but all have error messages. I was not able to read any.
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Samuel Herd a Murderer?
by Damn The Watchtower inhello folks,.
i feel like a fish who has been struggling for oxygen so long he's almost dead.
time to grow some legs and get the hell out of hell.
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Samuel Herd a Murderer?
by Damn The Watchtower inhello folks,.
i feel like a fish who has been struggling for oxygen so long he's almost dead.
time to grow some legs and get the hell out of hell.
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Hello Leavingwt,
I am in my 70s. I have no direct line to Jehovah in that he speaks to me of things not even Jesus spoke of. I don't know when Armageddon will come. Furthermore the timing of Armageddon has no relevance in my life. What is important is whether or not I love my Father and my brother. All other things I leave in Jehovah's hands. The Governing Body causes a stumbling with Armageddon. Do we love Jehovah and our brother and preach the Kingdom because we are in fear of death or because we love? Death comes and it goes. Life remains and it remains with God and all who love.
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David Splane's Eternal Torment
by Damn The Watchtower indavid splane not only believes in eternal torment, he practices it.. in our 2010 dvd, jehovah's witnesses faith in action, part 1: out of darkness , br.
splane said this starting at 14:16, "he (russell) could never reconcile the teaching of eternal torment with the description of the bible of a loving god.
as he examined the creeds of the great churches when he saw that they taught that the wicked are tormented eternally, why, he just could not accept that.
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Hello No Room For George,
There is no Raymond Franz on the Governing Body. I do not have enough personal knowledge to say otherwise. That does not mean though that all on the Governing Body are without common sense. Those that do must prevail or our young ones are lost.
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David Splane's Eternal Torment
by Damn The Watchtower indavid splane not only believes in eternal torment, he practices it.. in our 2010 dvd, jehovah's witnesses faith in action, part 1: out of darkness , br.
splane said this starting at 14:16, "he (russell) could never reconcile the teaching of eternal torment with the description of the bible of a loving god.
as he examined the creeds of the great churches when he saw that they taught that the wicked are tormented eternally, why, he just could not accept that.
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James Woods,
The Governing Body feeds on not only themselves but also on others at Bethel. I agree with Br. Dunlap's assessment for his day and mine as well. But this is not our day, his and mine, any longer, this is your day and the day of all young Jehovah's Witnesses. The present Governing Body when compared with that which just passed with Br. Barr's death this past December, is relatively young. They know that those of my generation are not at all happy with the lack of movement forward. The Generation teaching is in shambles and there is no shame in saying they don't know. Even Jesus admitted to not knowing all things. Honesty is needed. A better understanding of that teaching is needed. Or at the very least, an admission that only Jehovah knows exactly who and when that generation represents. Fresh air is needed, true trust in Jehovah is needed and not on ourselves or on those who came before.
I hope for the younger generation of Witnesses who have been exposed to things unheard of in my day and yet continue on.
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Samuel Herd a Murderer?
by Damn The Watchtower inhello folks,.
i feel like a fish who has been struggling for oxygen so long he's almost dead.
time to grow some legs and get the hell out of hell.
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Hello Quandry,
I have no plans to leave my faith. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I am, though, no longer a member of the Watchtower Society. The former is a faith, the latter a corporate tool. My beloved wife died some years ago long before I came to recognize that the Governing Body, as a whole, is a mechanized body of men whose main purpose is the preservation of a system not the search for truth.
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David Splane's Eternal Torment
by Damn The Watchtower indavid splane not only believes in eternal torment, he practices it.. in our 2010 dvd, jehovah's witnesses faith in action, part 1: out of darkness , br.
splane said this starting at 14:16, "he (russell) could never reconcile the teaching of eternal torment with the description of the bible of a loving god.
as he examined the creeds of the great churches when he saw that they taught that the wicked are tormented eternally, why, he just could not accept that.
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Hello James Woods,
While it may appear that the Watchtower leadership moves as a block it does not believe as a block. It will crack and when it does a true hellfire will occur at Bethel.
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David Splane's Eternal Torment
by Damn The Watchtower indavid splane not only believes in eternal torment, he practices it.. in our 2010 dvd, jehovah's witnesses faith in action, part 1: out of darkness , br.
splane said this starting at 14:16, "he (russell) could never reconcile the teaching of eternal torment with the description of the bible of a loving god.
as he examined the creeds of the great churches when he saw that they taught that the wicked are tormented eternally, why, he just could not accept that.
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Hello Minimus,
I would like to but I don't have the time. Surely there is much that could be said.
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David Splane's Eternal Torment
by Damn The Watchtower indavid splane not only believes in eternal torment, he practices it.. in our 2010 dvd, jehovah's witnesses faith in action, part 1: out of darkness , br.
splane said this starting at 14:16, "he (russell) could never reconcile the teaching of eternal torment with the description of the bible of a loving god.
as he examined the creeds of the great churches when he saw that they taught that the wicked are tormented eternally, why, he just could not accept that.
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David Splane not only believes in Eternal Torment, he practices it.
In our 2010 DVD, Jehovah's Witnesses Faith In Action, Part 1: Out of Darkness , Br. Splane said this starting at 14:16, "He (Russell) could never reconcile the teaching of eternal torment with the description of the Bible of a loving God. As he examined the creeds of the great churches when he saw that they taught that the wicked are tormented eternally, why, he just could not accept that." A few seconds later John Wischuk said this, "And Russell knew that the Bible said as it does at 1John 4:8, 'God is love". How could a God of love do this?"
The truth of the matter is that the whole Governing Body teaches and practices Eternal Torment. The eternal torment of permanent separation from the congregation, family and friends. The eternal torment of disfellowshipping that insists and requires all to shun even to the point of not eating with a shunned individual. The Apostle Paul's words are often quoted by Br. Splane, and other Governing Body members, in support of this practice that he himself believes is good:
"In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”
Br. Splane applies this scripture across the board, the old Governing Body even extended it for at one time disassociated friends were not shunned but that changed. This is Torment and for those who remain outside of the congregation it is Eternal Torment. But this practice is not truly supported in the Christian Greek Scriptures. The present Governing Body is following in the footsteps of the old and dead Body of brothers who thanks to Jehovah has passed on.
Above I have underlined the words, "called a brother" in Paul's admonition. It is very evident from scripture that Paul's words cannot be applied across the board! Jesus "ate" with sinners. These sinners were not gentiles outside of the Jewish faith but rather were Jewish brothers and sisters who were skinned and tossed about. I reference the following:
" Later, while he was reclining at the table in the house, look! many tax collectors and sinners came and began reclining with Jesus and his disciples. But on seeing this the Pharisees began to say to his disciples: “Why is it that YOUR teacher eats with tax collectors and sinners?” Hearing [them], he said: “Persons in health do not need a physician, but the ailing do. Go, then, and learn what this means, ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners.”
" Now all the tax collectors and the sinners kept drawing near to him to hear him. Consequently both the Pharisees and the scribes kept muttering, saying: “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.” Then he spoke this illustration to them, saying: “What man of YOU with a hundred sheep, on losing one of them, will not leave the ninety-nine behind in the wilderness and go for the lost one until he finds it? And when he has found it he puts it upon his shoulders and rejoices. And when he gets home he calls his friends and his neighbors together, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, because I have found my sheep that was lost.’ I tell YOU that thus there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner that repents than over ninety-nine righteous ones who have no need of repentance."
Jesus did not refuse to eat with Jewish sinners and tax collectors, his religious brothers and sisters. Love heals, no man can be healed if he is not loved, loved as a brother or sister. And surely, the first act of love is to give a greeting, the second is to share a meal and to help where help is needed. But our brothers and sisters are barred from showing love across the board no matter the circumstances.
When two courses of action are found in the Greek Scriptures the decision of which to practice should be left to the consciences of the friends.
We, Jehovah's Witnesses, do not believe in hell, eternal torment. We do not believe hellfire as taught by many Christian churches exists. It is not real, it is non-existent. Which brings us to a paradox. If hellfire does not exist it has harmed no man or woman. But not eating with a brother or sister does harm and not greeting our brother or sister harms, and not to speak to a disfellowshipped son or daughter for years causes great harm. It murders the heart and soul.
If Jehovah's name has been trampled by a false doctrine that has harmed no one how much more has his name been trampled by a doctrine that has harmed many! To quote Br. Wischuk, "How could a God of love do this?"
By Damn The Watchtower and all hypocrites within it.
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Samuel Herd a Murderer?
by Damn The Watchtower inhello folks,.
i feel like a fish who has been struggling for oxygen so long he's almost dead.
time to grow some legs and get the hell out of hell.
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Hello Thetrueone,
What you said is true about religion but is it not also true that the same can be said with regard to governments and multi-national corporations and just about every large institution? The problem is less with religion than with the leaders of religion or governments or powerful institution.
What the Bible has, and is not allowed by the Watchtower leadership, is the hard criticism of those leaders of Israel who were going the wrong way. The Bible has public self-criticism. Today the press does that for the citizens of the U.S. but in Bible times it was those within the religious system who were appointed to step out somewhat and speak out against the wrongs committed by the leaders- Jeremiah being one of these hardy souls.
The Governing Body does not believe in self-criticism but rather in self-promotion. It is people like yourself, and others here, who stand in the place of those in ancient times who stood up and said what was true. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I count it a privilege to be among so many Jeremiah-like brothers and sisters here.
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Samuel Herd a Murderer?
by Damn The Watchtower inhello folks,.
i feel like a fish who has been struggling for oxygen so long he's almost dead.
time to grow some legs and get the hell out of hell.
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Hello again Folks,
I apologize for disappearing so quickly yesterday. There is a posting limit and apparently I ran smack into it.
To clarify something about Samuel Herd, I don't believe he is a progressive but rather from what I've heard he is personally on the fence, he vasillates, with regard to the forced refusal of blood transfusions. I believe that a man who does not 100% believe in what he is teaching others and yet goes forward with it is more responsible than those who truly believe and teach that belief. What other Governing Body members persoanally believe on this issue I have no knowledge of though. A friend told me about Br. Herd and I chose to share what I believe is a reprehensible act, if what was said is correct.
A question was asked as to whether I believed Jehovah's Witnesses will be corrected before or after Armageddon. I believe the leadership will be corrected before Armageddon.